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Boomerang Terms
This is a picture of a righthanded boomerang. For a lefthanded boomerang everything is mirrored.
A boomerang can be thrown from both the Lead or Dingle Arm. For new throwers the Lead arm is usually the preferred arm to start with. A lot of boomerangs have undercut, usually under Lead wing. This increases the lift of this arm. If you put the boomerang on a flat surface and hold the elbow down with a finger, the boomerang should either be perfectly flat or the wings can be slightly bend upwards (from neutral point to tips). Elbow (between neutral points) should be flat. Do a tap test to check for warp. To add weights for better wind resistance, without affecting the overall balance of the boomerang, find the neutral point and attach the weights (coins) there. To find the neutral point, take a string, put a light weight on it, grasp the boomerang and string at the tip, allowing the boom and string
to hang. Where the string crosses the other wing is the neutral point for that wing.
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How much wind to get boomerang to return?
I am new to the Boomerang scene and was wondering how little or much
wind there should be to throw and actually get them to come back.
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My suggestion would be to pick a day (and location) with just enough
wind so you can detect the direction easily by (a) holding up a moist
finger, or (b) tossing up some blades of grass, or (c) just feeling it
on your face. More importantly, you should pick a day where the wind is
stable without any gusts or changes in direction so you can practice
throwing consistently.
Personally, I wouldn't choose a zero-wind day, as most booms don't seem
to work that well in those conditions, and "no wind" often seems to mean
a little wind, but I can't say exactly where it's coming from.
Just my 2 cents,
Christoph
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Christoph is right about the best days to throw and the right wind
conditions, but some times you don't know what the wind is doing when
you have the chance to go throwing. Go anyway.
Learn to look at the tree tops and see how they are moving. Look at
flags on businesses. If you have time to go throw and are not sure of
the wind, go ahead and try, if it's not so windy it's not worth the
effort. If you see large limb movement in the trees, go get a kite.
Otherwise, go and see how the booms work for you.
Keep a roll of electrical tape and coins with your booms. When the
wind comes up, tape a coin or two on the arms and put some little tape
flaps on the wings. Experiment. When the wind is up, trashing up the
boom with Velcro dots, rubber bands, or little tape flaps will make
them less efficient, but that makes them better returners because they
don't fly past you and into the next county.
Remember to watch and learn and not get all balled up if you are doing
it right or if everything is not perfect. Throw, observe, make
changes, have fun, repeat. It's a learning process and in the
beginning, you need time in the field for experience data input.
Work on making smooth throws with lots of spin. See how consistently
you can throw the boom, even if it's not coming right back to you. If
you can get it to land in the same place regularly, then it's just a
matter of dialing it in with some tuning or something which you will
learn in time. It's an incremental learning process and you never
stop learning.
Once you start getting a feel for throwing and how the booms behave,
different wind conditions become interesting and challenging.
There are a number of throwers in the Ohio area. Try to hook up with
some of them. You will learn a years worth of trial and error stuff
in an hour with an experienced thrower.
Have fun,
Pat
Tx
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Ditto on what Pat said about tape, coins, etc. But one comment I have about that is; try some 'hockey-stick' tape in lieu of the electrical tape. Its coarse-cloth texture provides some extra drag, and it's very pliable and conformable over coins, etc. Plus, it doesn't seem to leave a lot of adhesive residue on your booms when you take it off or move it, as electrical tape tends to do especially after bring sun-heated for a while. And on windy days, drag is one of your best friends. I keep a roll of hockey tape and a small pair of scissors in my bag all the time.
Dave Hughes
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I use "Crush Tape" on booms for trashing them up. It is similar to hockey tape, but it comes in nice fluorescent colors. It tears easy, and also doesn't leave the residue that electrical tape does. I especially like it for making a TC boom settle down. One small patch of it on the back will make the boom quit see-sawing.
Crush tape can be found in the duct tape section of your local hardware store.
Velcro dots work well, also, but they are more expensive.
Kendall
Rock Island, IL
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One very important bit of advice the others left out is that wind direction can change sometimes several times in mere minutes. For right hand throwers 2 o'clock to the right of the wind. For lefties its 10 o'clock to the left of the wind. Those guidelines work for most models but not all. A beginner should have a wind indicator. Any type of stick with a kite like tail will do. The tail streamer can be made with the plastic rim of a garbage bag. Simply cut a half inch off the top of any garbage bag. Tie one end to the top of the stick. It should be about 15''-2' long. This will show you when the wind is steady from one direction or chaining every few minutes. Grass can be used but its a pain to pull grass like a Billy goat every time you throw. Throwing to the right direction of the wind is crucial for accurate throws. If the wind is strong your throws are realized more vertical. If the wind is low or dead you have to throw very low to the ground with lots of layover (about 45 degrees ) . My suggestion would be to start with a boomerang that flies under 50 feet. Learn on a short distance rang before going to rangs that fly 75-110 feet. Otherwise there is a lot of cursing and walking. Early morning and before sunset the winds are often calmer. Low winds are best to learn in. High winds are nasty because they can come back at you fast. This time of year many sport fields are empty before sundown. My favorite time. If you ever travel near Cincinnati look me up. Colorado boomerangs has the best detailed directions for a beginner to trouble shoot errant throws. Look at this site .
http://www.coloradoboomerangs.com/howto.html
Has Dave given you a boomerang with positive dihedral on the tips?
Boomerangs with slightly curved wingtips are far easier to throw than perfectly flat ones. They have a much bigger target window. Flat ones have a very small window -- that means you have to throw in just the right spot for a perfect return, that's a pain for beginners.
Greg Courtney
Cincinnati Ohio
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Tuning model for boomerangs
The tuning method is this - first throw the boom. Let's assume it has
a poor flight for some reason, because if it has a good flight, well, you
just leave it alone. To fix the flight - hold the boom in front of you,
nearly at arm's length, so that it is flat and horizontal, with the
elbow pointing directly away from you, with the "flat" side facing
downwards. Now, envision the flight of the boom you just threw, and
superimpose it just around this boom. If the flight of the boom was too
low on the first half of the flight, you bend that wing of the boom
upwards, just like you'd want to bend the flightpath. If it was too
high at the midpoint of the flight, you bend that first half downwards. If
it was okay at the midpoint but flew into the ground before it got to you,
you bend the second half of the boom (the trailing wing) upwards. If it
flew too high at the end of the flight, but was okay at the midpoint,
you bend the second half of the boom downwards.
In other words, you always bend the wing corresponding to that part
of the flight where the problem lies. It works with every boom, and with
both right and left handed booms (LH are reversed in lead wing/trailing
wing order, but the flightpath is reversed, too, so that cancels out).
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Its important to keep in mind that different forms of drag and
variing placements of that drag on the boomerang will have different
effects on the boom. Below is a list of different boom additions
that will incease drag and how that drag will change the flight.
1. drilling holes: in center(three blader) slows the forward
momentum with out significantly slowing the spin rate
at the tips: slows the spin rate and the forward
motion
also, bigger holes increase the effect
2. rubber bands around the wing: rubber bands have similar effects as
the holes but they also add weight. this weight in the center causes
quicker layover and weight in the tips causes slower layover and
extra range.
3. flaps(tape folded to form a raised spoiler on the wing): these
seem to create less drag than say a rubber band but they can be
placed on the top or bottom of the boom to create different
characteristics. top: keeeps boom down. bottom: keeps boom up
4. velcro dots stuck to the wing: same as the flap but with more drag
5. athletic tape: this is the best for minor adjustments. wrapping
a strip around the wing adds a minimum amount af drag with out
disrupting the shape of the air foil. This is good to use when your
fast catch boom is coming in just a little too high but you don't
want to loose any speed. Just wrap a wing and watch it come right in
at chest height. Also if you have a boom that you want to hoover but
it keeps spiraling out, add some to the bottom. It creates just
enough friction to keep the boom from sliding off the air mass. Its
similar to having really rough skis, you won't be able to slide down
the slope.
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I use different airfoils for different winds and I also tune and
adjust things like # and size of holes, location of holes, velcro,
location of velcro, (top/bottom/LE, TE, ) and flaps and lead taps
for weighting.
The details I find are those that Mark mentioned....flaps on top
tend to slow it down while allowing the boom to maintain hover
(like for TC and doublers) while flap on top tends to slow it down
while also bringing it down or keeping it down (like for FC/End?
maybe Aussie and Accuracy) Too much flap and you lose the
ability of the 'rang to cut in the "back door" and you want that for
Accuracy and even Aussie sometimes, though I usually tune my
AC and AUssie rangs for straight in flight...They're coming
straight in on a dime with no "S" out at the end and no curl in (or
back door cut). Although sometimes, especially in dicy or string
wind, I want back door cut which I get by decreasing the
flappage.
I like blunt airfoils for Aussie/AC and TC. I like smoother airfoils
for Fast Catch. For wind FC sometimes I have totally squared off
LE and then I gently sand or file in the field until I have just
enough decrease in drag so the thing comes back! Without
some LE carving the things just flop off into nowhere land, but I
want just enough to bring it in. In low winds, these booms do not
even come close to "back" but in 10-20 they drop right in like a
dream.
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Although you gave some good info here, there's a little info
missing that would allow for a more full answer to your question. If
the "quick layover and steep climb" occurs before the first half of
the flight is completed, you want to give negative dihedral to the
leading arm. You don't want the boom climbing that fast in the first
half of the flight. This adjustment will also give a greater out
distance to the flight of the boom.
Until that is corrected, I wouldn't do anything else. Test it after
that adjustment. It may need several such adjustments. Now, if the
boom is still not making it back, but is gently running into the
ground short of the intended point, only then would I give positive
dihedral to the trailing arm (the unweighted one). This will shorten
the out distance of the flight, but give a more full return.
Here's something to think about - if you hadn't added that
additional weight to the tip, the boom would have laid over even more
quickly, assuming no tuning changes were made while drilling the hole
or adding the weight. Peripheral weighting slows down rate of layover.
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Another thing you might want to try is adding more weight. The old joke back in the day when these big hooks were popular was that any problem you could possibly have could be fixed by adding more weight. Many moons ago, I made a Challenger that didn't come anywhere close to coming all the way back and since it was a thick composite (4mm), bend and twist tuning was difficult to say the least. If memory serves, I taped a quarter on the dingle arm (nearish the elbow) and it really improved things. I just moved it around until I got a full return. It shortened the range but at least it made it all the way back. Then I added more weight on the lead arm to get back some more of the range. Then reshifted the coin on the elbow. I think I had 4 quarters taped on it by the end. It was a bear to throw. I much prefer a nice voyager but it did work.
John Cross
Devon, Alberta
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Pinch grip vs Full grip

When I began throwing/teaching I used the PINCH grip. A good grip for
thin, light, smaller rangs. BUT....not the best grip for all rangs.
As my skill developed and selection of rangs increased, I discovered that
PINCH was not giving the control & distance large(6oz. Comeback,
Bakwood,Smith) rangs required.
I began relearning. Depending on the particular rang, I might PINCH, I
might FULL HAND HOLD,or I might INDEX FINGER HOOK-AROUND ....
As I began eliminating PINCH, I realized my rangs were not spinning as fast
as before, nor were the flights pretty. Rangs looked like wounded birds,
flopping about the sky.
After a week or so, I began getting proper spin, beautiful flights...all it
took was PRACTICE. Those were not fun weeks, however.
b-man, rich
I highly recommend that beginners throw gripping the leading arm! If they
do, and roll their wrist (baseball throwers), the boomerang will 1. Zoom
upward with the risk of a disastrous descent, or 2. tell the thrower that
he's rolling his wrist by fluttering down in front of him or flying like
cow pies.
After a thrower consistently gets good returns, it's time to throw each
boomerang by both the throwing arm and the dingle arm to see what he
likes best.
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Semi Crude Airfoil

A lot of years ago, I discovered that the more crude the airfoil, the
better a boomerang flew for all the diverse throwers. Experimenting, I
found that an airfoil having a 45 degree cut, half the wood thickness
for a leading edge, and a trailing edge taper starting about 3/32 inch
up from the bottom of the wing and ending at a line about 3/4 to 7/8
inch from the trailing edge was about right for most booms, as little as
1/2 inch for wind rangs, to 7/8 or even 1 inch for light wind sport
rangs. Now, what I described has sharp edges all over. I finish sand with
a 150 grit, 2" X 8" pneumatic drum all over, including lightly rounding
the sharp edges. That's it. With tongue in cheek, I called that my
MBA-SC airfoil (Modern Boomerang Airfoil - Semi-Crude!) It still works
well for me. Some things withstand the test of time. This "airfoil" is
one of them!
Part of the learning experience is in evaluating what percentage of
accuracy to attach to what you hear from others (including me). We all
have methods that work for us. As a result, we also produce booms that we
can fly but most others can't. I call these booms, "Narrow throwing
window booms". A boomerang that I, you , Arlene (Sotak's boom babe),
Logan and Devin Broadbent (Gary's 12 year old twins) and the rest of the
boom community can throw, and catch successfully would be a "Large
throwing window boom". If you get the "hang" of it, you can make the
latter as easily as you can make the former.
I own lots of both types. By current definition, a boomerang is a thrown
object that returns to the thrower. Launched vertically, it returns
horizontally, hovering down to the thrower with little forward motion
left.
If true, then a "Twice arounder" is a poorly designed boom, unless it's a
MTA boom designed for that purpose. Actually, a good MTA should be a 1
1/2 arounder since we want the boom as far upwind as possible.
But then, a boom that flies a figure eight pattern is a badly designed
boom, too, because its flight culminates in a dive toward the ground.
A very desirable boomerang for anyone's kit is one that gets the required
distance, spinning horizontally, passes over your head, then slides
upwind, down to you while Your back is turned to the wind, and sun! Some
claim that's why they "designed" a figure eight pattern into it. Sorry,
that's BS! A figure eight boomerang is one that lays down much too fast,
period!
One that does not lay down fast enough is a bad boomerang, too, unless
it's a fast catch boom which, ideally does not lay down at all but has a
lot of differential lift for turning. If it has only a little lift (just
enough to offset gravity) and is launched spinning horizontally, it's
called a Kylie!
Rusty
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What is the best beginner boomerang?
BoomerangTalk has had a number of new members join this week, I don't know
what their boomerang throwing experience is, so I thought I'd start a thread
on beginners equipment:
What is the best beginner boomerang?
I think that the best all around beginner boomerang is the Outback Tern.
Every time I introduce a new thrower to boomerangs I get out a selection of
boomerangs (Yanaki, Outback Triblader, Gel Carlotta, Gel Bellen, a few
others) for the beginner to try and they always seem to end up on the Tern.
I think because it has forgiving throw window (but it will not let you side
arm it), it is easy to catch, and has 2 arms.
By the way, the Tern is also a great warm up/warm down boom.
Any other suggestions? Any "brand names" a new thrower should look for if
they happened to find a shop that carried booms?
Where to find booms?
Kite shops sometimes carry quality boomerangs, but getting good advice
regarding boomerangs is iffy.
The BoomerangMan, Rich Harrison, is a great resource
for booms and throwing advice if you can wait for the shipping (Rich
provides great service and fast turn around, but the booms still have to be
shipped to you).
On line - see the BoomerangTalk files section for a list or www.USBA.org
My local supermarket and sports store both carry boomerangs. All
questionable returners at best, some non-returners for sure.
Local throwers often have booms to loan.
Any other suggestions?
- Clay
Note from "Editor Rob": Outback Tern is no longer in production. Most serious boomerang makers have great starter rangs, which are often light and more forgiving than more advanced rangs.
Just ask the boomerang maker of your choice and they will be happy to advice you.
Personally I had good experience teaching new adult throwers with Kendall's Vector. Often the Yanaki is mentioned as a good first choice as well, but I have no experience with that one. I am sure there are plenty of other great starter rangs, so just ask. And for the lefthanders, make sure you get a lefthanded one.
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Elbow problems
Hi to all. I am having a problem with my elbow, in that just over a week ago I was throwing, mostly longer distance and fast catch, and my elbow began to hurt. It got worse until the next day, I could hardly move it because of the pain. The pain seems to be internal, kind of 'in the middle' of the elbow, but extends above and below. Does this mean I've got tennis elbow? Someone was saying it's probably my technique. Can anyone help with any ideas about how I might improve my technique if this is indeed the problem, or about whether some kind of support would make any difference.
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used to get that all the time, and discovered that I was bringing my arm to an abrupt halt at the end of the throwing motion, which puts a strain on the tendons that retract the forearm. I modified my throw such that rather than stop my arm, I let it rotate inward after the release so as to allow it to continue following thru the motion, ending up with my hand down near my waist. Hard to visualize, I know...but it worked for me. And yes, it is exactly 'tennis elbow'...same thing.
Dave Hughes
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Ollie,
Take Glucosamine and condroitin (sp)??? After a few weeks it should go away. Gary
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I'd like to second Dave's method. Exactly the same here... I'm trying to
avoid this snapping motion of the forearm, and generate power instead
from my upper body and shoulder, and try to follow through the throw.
This works well for me for heavier rangs (e.g. Big Al Hook copies, LMI
Fox Tomahawk, ...). Ironically, the rangs that hurt most are small
tribladers. I also find it harder to control the throw parameters this
way, but I guess this can be practiced.
Also, doing some biceps and triceps curls with a Thera Band
(http://www.thera-band.com) before and after throwing and stretching the
biceps helped me avoid the pain in the elbow area.
Regards,
Christoph
(Trier, Germany)
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Ollie,
Last year at this time I was having exactly the same symptoms that
you describe. It got maybe a little better toward the end of the
season. I started taking the glucosamine and chondroitin, doing
other upper and forearm exercises and changed my throws a little
more like a baseball throw with the increased follow through - this
is almost exactly what the 3 previous gents have prescribed. This
season, I have *far* fewer symptoms of tennis elbow than last year.
I'm sure part of it is that I ended up building the muscle groups
that had laid dormant during my pre-boomerang years. Anyway, take
heed of all the previous advice and take heart - you'll eventually
be fine.
Rob Stewart
East Greenville, PA USA
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had those problems too the first two years i threw. i was not
aware of my changeing throwing style, but the end result is i have a
smoother throw. less pain in my shoulder also when im throwing for
hrs a day. step forward like throwin baseball and use my weight,what
little there is of it. with less snap at the elbow it feels like it
glides outa my hand more insted of flings.
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As much as I hate to disagree with Gary, I must this time.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are great for arthritis but not
tennis elbow (tendonitis). I have been using glucosamine and
chondroitin for 10 years to help the arthritis in my knees and
without it, would not be able to walk. However, about 5 or 6
years ago I developed tennis elbow. In fact, the problems with
it led to an argument with Dr Fred, and I left ranglist to start
BoomerangTalk. At that time, my doctor prescribed a series of
easy exercises to strengthen my elbow. I followed this, and it
made a great improvement.
Anyway the excercise is quite easy. Put your arm to your side
as if on an armchair. Hold your fist out, with the thumb facing
left (for right handers). Pivot your wrist so the the fist drops
straight down and return it to normal. Then twist your wrist to
the right, so that your thumb faces up, and return. keep going
down, return, right, return, etc. In the beginning only your hand
is needed. After a day or two, use a one or two pound weight.
fter a couple of weeks, your elbow will have build the strength
it needs.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are great for knitting cartilage but
no good for tendonitis..
Dave Hendricks
Alletown, PA
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Undercutting an Omega boomerang .

Actually, Bill, the Aborigines used little to no undercutting, but tuned
rather unscientifically by heating in the fire and bending and/or
twisting them to fly right. The fire treatment also served to temper the
black waddle, making it harder and less susceptible to damage
On most of the plans I've seen, the undercutting is the average of what
the designer found to be right over large numbers of boomerangs. For
beginners, I'd suggest throwing a new boomerang before undercutting to
see what it does. First, though, you have to be confident that you're
throwing consistently the same way each time you throw. Then, if the
boomerang does not lay down to spin horizontally on return, undercut a
little on the leading edge of the leading arm and throw it again. Keep
doing this until you're satisfied.
If the boomerang lays down too soon and flies the famous/infamous "S" curve, undercut a little on the bottom leading edge of the dingle or
trailing arm, and throw again. Throw two to three times to be sure you're
throwing the same each time. If anyone has a sport boomerang they can't
tune, contact me. If I can, I'll adjust it for them but contact me first.
More about Undercutting Omega's
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Dear Greg,
I'd go so far as to say any hook or omega shape falls into
this "needs undercut" or "needs rather radical tuning adjustments"
category. King Billy hooks tend to not only have undercuts, but
rather large dihedrals on the lead wings.
Dave's post was good on undercutting. Typically, I'd change layover
rate by central or peripheral weighting. I'd add that undercuts are
actually a version of angle of attack adjustment. That last statement
was short, but possibly more complex than first glance would yield.
There is debate among some as to whether a boom should be grinded
so that minimal tune is needed, or tuned for optimal flight, with
mostly just airfoils applied. Actually, Rusty and I went differing
directions on this one; he was big on grinding, I was big on tuning.
My thoughts were, you can always grind something off later, if
needed. The truth is, the way the air flows over the boom wing is
almost exactly the same, if similar modifications are made by either
grinding or tuning. There are some weight distribution changes to
deal with, between the two methods, but they are minimal.
How a wing affects the circulation of air around it is what
determines flight characteristics, and you can achieve similar final
effects by either tuning or grinding. There are times one or the
other is preferable, but more often than not, you have the option.
Best wishes,
Fred M.
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No way to say how much exactly...you cut a little, test, cut a little more if needed, test again, ad nauseam. Don't go and hack a big ol' bevel on there right off the bat, because you can't put the wood back on if you went too far. If it's not laying down soon enough for you, I'd say cut a bevel about 1/8" wide X 1/32" deep X about 2" long on the lead wing, blending the ends of the bevel into the tip and leading edge of the boom. The lead wing, if you're right-handed, is the one on the right looking at the top of the boom, wings hanging downward. Test it and observe the effect. If needed, widen and deepen the bevel a tiny bit, test again. Tiny steps, remember.
If it's laying down too soon, undercut the leading edge of the dingle wing (the other wing) using the same criteria and procedure.
I don't think I've ever made an omega that I didn't have to adjust via undercutting. Kendall Davis makes one he calls 'Dunce' that has no undercutting, yet it does that really cool sudden laydown at the end dearly that I love to see.
Dave Hughes
Austin, Texas
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Hello All, this is my first time posting to the group. I joined the
group recently and have found it intriguing. I have been an avid
thrower for 20+ years. Rich the BMan and DaveH will recognize me as
a customer. In the summer of '03 I started making my own booms. I
have made over 100 so far, and they are all different. Some of my
best successes have been lightweight flyers (birch 5ply 3/32inch)
that my daughters can throw successfully and attempt to catch without
getting hurt. I was amazed in late '03 when my youngest, then six
years old, actually made a catch.
The talk about undercuts on omegas so far has been limited to the
wings. But I have found that an undercut on the inside of the elbow
of an omega has a good effect. Most boomerangs I have bought tend to
fly too high for my tastes. I like low circular flights. I have
found that the inside elbow undercut can keep a boomerang upright for
more of the flight, thereby allowing the boomerang to make a nice
circular turn without gaining altitude. I wonder if the master
boomsmiths will agree that the inside elbow undercut is really
helping me to achieve the low circular flight which I crave.
I love to throw and catch - football, baseball, frisbee, whatever. I
got into boomerangs because I always want to play, but there isn't
always someone to play with. Most of my boomerang experience has
been by myself. So, if any lonely boomerangers live near me, lets
get together.
Rick Saidenberg
Pleasantville, NY
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Hi Guys!
John Cross said in his book that undercut at the inside elbow
will give a boom a nice end hover. I tried it and found this to be
true for me. I wasn't looking for a lower flight in these boomerangs
previously, but I have been and do look for an even altitude or a
steady flight path (minimal climbing). This is definitely food for
thought. Undercut is one of many factors to consider in the overall
airfoiling along with the boomerang's size and shape.
John V.
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Dear Rick,
That's an interesting theory (about undercutting the inner elbow
causing a lower flight due to delayed layover rate), but I don't
think the effect you're getting is due to your chosen modification.
An omega has a large portion that is basically semi-circular,
around the CG. This doesn't add much, if any, lift to the boom; in
fact, the vast majority of omegas have no "trailing edge" on this
portion. Most are airfoiled as leading edges, for both the inner and
outer edges.
If you then undercut the inner edge, you are then delaying the
minimal lift discussed above. If that lift (without undercutting) is
minimal, then your effect is even more minimal.
However, by undercutting, you did lighten the elbow section, and
weight of the elbow is hugely important in layover rate. Lighten the
elbow, and you will retard layover rate. If you want a lower flight,
make the central section of that omega with a thinner chord.
You can see the effect of the above by weighting your boom with
pennies. Try it without weights; then, with two pennies near the
elbow section; then, with a penny at each tip. There should be a
rather large difference in layover rates with each weighting method.
In summation, the height of the flight of your omega will be
largely dependent upon two factors:
1) Exact tune (AOA and dihedral) of your boom, especially the lead
wing;
2) Weight of the central "elbow" section versus peripheral wing
sections where lift is generated.
Best wishes,
Fred M.
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Some thoughts on undercutting...
A lot of folks seem to think of undercutting and the boomerang's airfoil as two different entities. However, the undercut is actually a part of the airfoil. What happens when you undercut at/near the tip of a boomerang's wing is that you're carving 'wash-in' into the airfoil at the wingtip. You alter the mean-line of the airfoil section such that you change the airfoil's angle of attack in that region. I believe that the effect would be the same as if you were to slightly twist the very tip of the wing in relation to the airflow around the airfoil. In general terms, you increase the lift generated by that wing if you undercut the leading edge, and decrease its lift if you undercut the trailing edge.
DLHughes
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Hello ,
I will also add this bit of information on omegas . I've told this
story a few times but for the sake of the new folks it worth
repeating . I have taken Omegas and drilled a half inch hole directly in
the center of the elbow . I tape over both sides of the hole . It
makes the flight go further ( less weight ) . It will not return to me
, it comes in 35 - 40 feet short , on low wind days . On windy days it
is an incredibly acurate wind rang !! Try it and see for yourself !
Perhaps as Dr. Fred mentioined its simply the removal of the weight,
which could be as easly acomplished by decreasing chord thickness
instead of a hole .
Greg C.
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Dear Talkers,
Fully agreed. This is sort of an expansion of what I wrote in post
26056.
I should mention that this does in some small way disagree with the
post on undercutting all the way around the boom lowering the lift
(post 26078). Undercutting all the way around would increase the lift
for the leading edge undercut, and decrease the lift for the trailing
edge undercut. It would also definitely decrease drag.
Best wishes,
Fred M.
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I've been enjoying this discussion on undercuts. All of the
opinions shared are qualified and valid. Your interest and questions
have inspired some very significant communications that we're all
benefitting from. The varying opinions and methods that have been
shared illustrate how diverse and unique the different approaches to
undercut can be and are.
I believe that we who craft rangs tend to do what works for us
and that our techniques progress as a direct result of trial and
error. There's clearcut best way to incorporate all the dynamics of
rangcrafting. If you're following plans from the web and don't know
where to begin, I strongly suggest you try your best to duplicate the
specs given in that particular plan. If in some cases that doesn't
happen to work for you, that's when it's time to apply some
adjustments. Before too long, you'll see what works for you and what
doesn't.
Personally, I tend to agree mostly with Dave Hughes' comments
on undercut. I think the specs he gave for beginning undercut are very
sound as a starting point. I myself (to date) get best results by
undercutting both wings. I'm not particularly conscious of the effect
of laydown caused by undercutting, but I find that using undercut
causes my rangs to turn more effectively.
I also feel that twist tuning to avoid undercutting is sticky
buisiness for a beginner, although I know at least one person who has
never used undercuts since the beginning and he makes some truly
amazing spectacular flyers. He began by using plans right from web as
you're doing now and, not understanding the undercut specs, he
disregarded them altogether. I don't think it's that way for most
beginners though.
I think I'll close my observations for now by saying that one
of the greatest boomerangers of all time generally applies undercut
around the entire boomerang, tip to tip. leading and trailing edge.
And he's not the only who prefers to do this.
Cheers!
John V.
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Good Day All
Boomerang Making and throwing can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it.
I was interested to see some of the comments about undercut.
Rick Saidenberg’s comments,” I wonder if the master
boom smiths, will agree that the inside elbow undercut is really
helping me to achieve the low circular flight which I crave.” Has prompted me to contribute to the discussion.
When I first started making “Lazy sevens”, (about 1978)I had problems with them after painting. They were flying great till then. They had good circular flight, a consistent height, good accuracy. After painting them, they would either crash half way around, or end their flight with a significant dip.
At that time with trial and error I observed that by lowering the angle of camber in the elbow area on the inside corrected that flaw. I then made the unpainted boomerang fly a little high before painting. After painting it came down to where I wanted it.
Conversely if I wanted to lower the flight pattern, I would lower the angle of camber at the outside edge of the centre section. The area I worked on would cover no more than one fourth of the total size of the boomerang. (IE measured from the wing tip to the centre, then centre to the other wingtip. In my example with the total measurement of 48 CM, the area adjusted is 12 CM) Much to the amusement of David Schummy, I still do those adjustments during preliminary field testing.
In 1982 I was invited to compete in the USBA National Championships. I had a warm up at the Portland Rose Festival competition. When I saw a thrower getting dips at the end of the flight I asked if he knew about specific shaping at the elbow. I received many blank looks. The general belief at that time was that the elbow was a neutral point. Somebody had a rasp in their kit. I asked if I could modify the flight for them. After minimal shaping. Yes it did work.
I have discussed this observation on many occasions.(If you were not there you would not have heard it) On the previous boomerang discussion point, Rusty Harding added that his observation was to get the same results from undercut, but the opposite way around.
I understand that weight reduction in the centre will cause a change in flight patterns. My observations though are that a similar reduction in weight at the centre on opposite sides of the wing will produce opposite characteristics flight results.
My comments relate to boomerangs with a rounded centre section. Omegas, lazy seven, “C” shape. My observations are that it is very important to make sure the wings are at least Zero dihedral favoring positive dihedral.
Bob Burwell Brisbane Australia.
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Hi all
I personally quite like doing a bit of carving around the elbow to adjust the height of the flight (similar to how one would use dihedral). My experience says its definitely not a figment of my imagination. For me, it allows me to lower (or raise) the flight at the point of the farthest range of the boom - tuff to do with dihedral without affecting either the height at the start of the flight or at the end of the flight. It works better on some booms than others but I've had success with sharp V booms (fuzzies, DeVees) as well as round elbow omegas. For a while, I was doing it on every boom I made (except tribladers and MTAs).
In essence, if you want to lower the flight, you can either undercut the inside edge of the elbow or take a bit more off the outside top (like wrapping the trailing edge of the dingle arm around the elbow). It you want to raise the height of the flight a bit, take some off the top of the inside of the elbow (like wrapping the lead arm trailing edge into the elbow) or undercut the outside edge of the elbow. You can't make as big of changes with this technique as with dihedral or carving changes at the tips but it is great when you are close to "just right" and you want to get that particular flight. It is just about as fast as bend and twist tuning if you have a rasp or file with you on the field.
Probably the boom that turned me onto experimenting with this is a Rusty Harding Hat that has about an inch of dihedral on the dingle arm. It flies way too high but definitely not as high as I would have expected with it being that badly warped. It has some of this carve tuning near the elbow and that was the only thing visibly obvious that could have somewhat counteracted the warp. A bit of methodical tinkering and it didn't take too long to figure out. Well - that and some pointers Rusty, Ted Bailey, and Bob Burwell posted years ago plus a couple of tips from the likes of Dan Neelands and David Schummy that got me going in the right direction.
As for why it works, I haven't a clue and can't even make something up that would convince anybody (let alone me). It can't be weight changes that's causing the effect because I can adjust the flight either up or down by taking material off (reducing the weight). Sure you can adjust the flight with weights but I don't think that's whets going on here. The airfoil modifications are doing something to affect lift which is affecting the flight regardless if you can explain it or not.
John Cross
Devon, Alberta
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Dear Talkers,
I thought about John's discussion here, and believe I do have a
reason why the elbow airfoil and undercut mods act as they do.
Let me preface this whole discussion by saying that there's never
been a two-bladed boom put in my hands that a proper tuning
modification of the tips couldn't fix, if the boom was fixable.
Anything one can do with an elbow modification, one can do with a
leading or trailing arm modification.
Here's why - the elbow, in a two-bladed boom, is a very, very poor
version of a third wing. Did I mention, it is very, very poor? Okay.
The other two "real wings" stick out farther from the CG, and are
true chords with airfoils. Consider the elbow as a "V" shaped wing,
with the chord running all the way from the start of the trailing
arm, across the elbow, and ending on the start of the leading wing.
If you've ever seen a triangular boom (either referred to as
an "open" or "closed" form, depending upon to whom you're talking),
you've seen such a wingtip.
As a quick aside, this elbow must generate much less lift, due to
its "less than ideal" shape ("V" instead of linear), and much less
distance from the CG. Rotational speed has less effect on generating
lift on the elbow.
Now, assuming this elbow is generating some lift, let's look at
what happens when mods are applied. John stated that when one applies
an undercut to the inner elbow, or applies a trailing edge to the
outer elbow, it lowers lift at the outer point of the flight. Well,
let's turn this boom (as it does in flight) until these modifications
look like an airfoil. When you rotate the boom so that the elbow is
facing the thrower (3 o'clock, disc of rotation), you will note that
the first mod looks like an undercut, and the second mod looks like a
trailing edge. In this position, the boom elbow will generate some
lift from the translational (forwards) speed, from these mods (these
mods create more lift, so oriented). Rotate this 90 degrees in the
direction of rotation, because precession says any rotating object
that has a nonfrictional force applied to it effectively has it
applied 90 degrees later, and you get a force applied to the disc of
rotation at 12 o'clock. This lift force will create a delay of
layover in the boom being thrown (layover occurs as the 12 o'clock
part of the disc comes down, and these mods are creating lift there).
A boom with a delayed layover will stay lower; look at almost all
FC booms. A boom won't rise until it starts to layover unless it's
thrown upwards. A more vertical boom has lift generated towards the
center of the circle it's making; a more horizontal boom has lift
generated upwards, usually to keep it aloft for some reason (either
end of a flight, or MTA).
The reverse mods (undercutting the outer elbow, or "trailing edge"
the inner elbow) lines up as an airfoil when you point the boom elbow
away from the thrower. This generates lift at 9 o'clock, which
precession says will occur at 6 o'clock. This increases the rate of
layover (12 o'clock moving downwards is aided by 6 o'clock moving
upwards), which will make the boom rise in its flight earlier.
Another sobering realization from this train of thought is that
there truly is no such thing as a "two-bladed boomerang". Every boom
that has something on the other side of the elbow is using that as a
wing, minimal as it might be. Thinking about LD for a moment, the
trailing wing is minimally 45 degrees off of ideal lift, and closer
to 90 (radial to the CG would be ideal), and its elbow runs almost
horizontally, yet whatever is there, has to function very minimally
as a third wing.
This makes sense to me, at least. It would explain why such effects
work at all, yet don't yield the same effect as seen at the two major
wingtips.
Best wishes,
Fred M
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Hi Fred
Very interesting ideas here. Your explanation makes so much sense, I couldn't find anything to argue with you about :) I like it.
I also agree that wingtip mods can fix pretty much anything. I certainly wouldn't use elbow modifications if the boom wasn't working at all - that would obviously be a choice for wingtip modifications. I would even go as far to say that every one should understand wingtip modifications before they ever attempted elbow modifications. But (you knew there had to be a but) if you want a boom that not only works fine but has that magic flight pattern that separates the good ones from the great ones, sometimes you gotta expand your options a bit. I think the elbow is far more important in this respect than you give it credit for. There is a surprising amount of magic hidden in the elbow if you want to take advantage of it.
John Cross
Devon, Alberta
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Teach new throwers
Never belittle an errant throw. "Try to get a little more spin on it this
time!" is a lot better than, "You didn't get enough spin on it!" "Try to
throw it toward the top of that tree!", rather than, "You're throwing it
too high!"
Turn the thrower a little left or right until the direction's right, then
say, "Feel the wind on your cheek? That's the way it should feel when
throwing." Start them out on easy to fly, short range, preferably conventionally
designed two bladed boomerangs, then graduate to others as skills
develop.
Teach that boomerangs can be thrown too hard, but they always love more
spin.
Take pride in helping others enjoy our old but unusual sport, then do in
again!
Rusty
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Some things that are common in helping are;
How the thrower holds the boomerang for optimum spin.
I teach by using a pinch grip, forward throw. (Free wing points forward) Boomerang to lie as close as is comfortable to the forearm as possible. COG low over the forearm.
Flips grip was a combination pinch grip with the end of the boomerang positioned between the index finger and middle finger. The boomerang wing pointing forward. COG directly above the wrist. I believe less spin is generated using this hold.
Where the thrower begins and ends the throw.
I teach that the throw starts with the boomerang behind the head at shoulder height. The release point depends on the boomerang. For most boomerangs it is directly in front of the shoulder and near head height. Some want to start with the boomerang horizontal down near the hip.
The amount of layover required.
Layover depends on the boomerang being used. Layover typically is at about one oclock. There is a significant difference between a conventional boomerangs, Vipers and Long Distance boomerangs.
The boomerang thrower should visualize a target, so as to have a throw point reference.
Flip tended to throw from where the boomerang ended after his throw. If it was close to the throw point, Fine. If it was ten metres away he was not correcting for the wind after his field location change.
For consistent results, return to the same throw point. This maintains the target reference point.
Being able to effect the correct amount of power to get the best result from the boomerang being used.
Knowing when to attempt a catch on the boomerangs return, and when to let it pass by and land on the ground.
When boomerangs are coming in like Gannets vertically entering the ocean for a feed of fish, or a hundred mile per hour falcon coming out of a dive to make a horizontal strike, let it go.
When a catch is attempted, for safety sake it should be done below head height.
Bob Burwell
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Warped boomerang
I hate when that happens. Did you give 'em the tap test? Laying
the boom on a flat surface, holding the elbow down with one or two
fingers and tap the wingtips with the other hand? My first guess would
be that all the dingle arms are lacking tapiness. Maybe they're giving
you a thud?
Maybe the board you cut the blanks from was warped in such a way
that all the booms had too much up-warp on the trailing wings, causing
the booms to curve in too quickly on the return. The trailng wings may
instead have to much positive angle of attack or you might have carved
the trailing wings in such a way that they have too much lift, again
causing the same result. These are all just guesses.
If the booms are already painted, Chet Snouffer has suggested
using a hot air corn popper to heat and retune the wings. It won't
damage the paint. If the booms are unfinished, you might either do
some carving adjustments to reduce lift on the trailing wing or you
might use a source of steam to retune the trailing wing. One way or
another, I would suggest trying to bend the trailing wing down a little
Good luck. Hope you find the solution.
John V.
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There is another method of warping your boomerang tips . This can be
done at most homes .This method will not hurt an existing paint job ,
it also works on unpainted raw boomerangs as well . Wrap your
boomerang tip in aproximatly 2" x 9" piece of paper towl . The
papertowl is wraped around two or three times . Get that totaly wet
squeeze out excessive water ,you want it wet but not dripping . wrap
that in the same size piece of tin foil . Make the tinfoil snug and
flolded over tips . Go to a gas stove and set flame on medium , hold
the boomerang over the flame for about 20 seconds , move the boomerang
back an forth in the flame heating an inch and a half of the tip
.Steam will leak out of the tinfoil at the open end towards the elbow
. Remove from flame take off tin foil and paper towl , touch only
quickly enough to push off lavers to avoid hot temputure . Its not
scalding but still hot . You can pull all off with wash cloath if
desired . Take your warmed boomerang tip and correct any flawed over
warpage by bending in the opposte direction . New boomerangs you put
warps into the blades by pressing down hard on a counter top for about
15-25 seconds . You can twist any angle of attack you desire as well
. This is subtle art because depending how long you heat , push ,twist
, hold still in posistion will determine how much warp you end up with
. As a rule of thumb push and warp more than you think you need
because it will flatten back some as you let go .This is something you
learn only by doing this a few times . But it works fine for me . If
I recal your a young maker , so have a parent watch over you if your a
pree teen doing this .This method works well if you have no popcorn
maker on hand .
Greg Courtney
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Big Round Flights
I always enjoy big round flights. Why some sticks make them is a good
question. I don't know why. They say people like dogs that look like
themselves and I'm getting rounder myself these days.
Triblades make round flights, but they don't seem to be as fascinating
as longer distance booms, usually more open shapes. I've made a few
flat tops that have that flight.
http://www.boomerangs.us/images/snowtigr.jpeg They take a more
vertical toss than most hooks, say WEL 45/10/20 for the flat tops
where I would throw a Sussex copy or Killimanjaro 45/10/50 or so.
http://www.boomerangs.us/welsh.htm for the secret decoding of throwing
numbers. Windage angle/Elevation angle/Layover angle
I've been throwing a bit lately and am learning a few new things about
some of my old sticks, like the Delicate Arch. The DA is usually in
the top 10 category of favorite booms, but mine's never really done
much for me. It needs to be thrown quite a bit off the wind.
Apparently I've been laying mine over way too much. It makes it back
somewhere close, but there is no magic in the flight, probably
80/10/50 or something like that. The other day I dug mine out and
decided to give it a more vertical throw with a bit more sauce on it,
80/10/20 or so. The numbers are not exact, but a much more vertical
throw than usual. The DA made a beautiful low round flight and almost
came back to my hands.
They say that the LD record flight that stood for about 10 years at
149M by Michael Dufayard (sp?) was a big round flight. Now THAT'S a
big round flight!
Keep'em big and round,
Pat
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Fingers safety
Speaking of comfortably numb and hurt fingers . A good
reminder to all new people who havnt heard this is to keep your finger
nails cut very short . A few members have had entire finger nails
ripped off their fingers from a returning boomerang .The boomerang
misses fingers and palm and catches right on the edge of a finger nail
and the sheer fource rips it off . This happens usualy on the left
hand of a right handed thrower .I only had it happen a fraction of
the way and its bad painfull news ! This is not the kind of info to
share during demos/ lessons however .
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Gloves
Just a few thoughts from the other end of the spectrum (so to speak).
In colder weather ( less than 10C) I am wearing a golf glove (Nike, 20$) on my
left hand. It just keeps my left hand warm which in turn makes it
easier for my body to warm my right throwing hand up (and warm hands
are very important for a steady throw).
However, once I get my faster fast catch booms out, I am switching
to my Snowboard glove (sans pads, of course), rain or shine. Hot or
cold. A lot of competition throwers are wearing heavy gloves on the
non-throwing hand to have at least some protection between a 10Hz,
100 km/h (These numbers are made up, prove me wrong) razor blade and
their body. However, one thing you never, never, never do (in
practice) is to catch before your face. Booms returing higher than
shoulder height and its time to step aside. You can still attempt to
catch the boom but make sure you do it so you are standing away from
the path of the boom, not directly in its path.
Saftey glasses are also a high priority once you get into faster
boomerangs.
Tibor
Vancouver
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How to give spin
I've said it before, but I'll risk flogging the topic again.
The spin is a function of wrist movement, snap.
Get a small towel or string and tie it to the end of the boom you
don't hold. Using your regular grip on the boom, start snapping the
string or towel untill you can make it pop like a bull whip.
You have just trained your wrist muscles to put about as much spin as
you are going to be able to on that stick with that grip. A couple
of sessions with the whip will double your spin if you are just
learning to throw.
The sound will give you feedback and you will naturally start
maximizing your wrist arc. It's fast and worth a few minutes.
It sounds like I throw like Tim. Dingle and pinch letting the boom
release itself. I try to focus on what I want the boom to do, not
what I want my arm or wrist to do.
Good luck,
Pat
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Needless to say, you don't want to be holding a "fist full" of rang.
Don't open your hand as the rang releases from your hand.
Make sure the pads of your thumb and next two fingers are flat against the
rang surface....too many hold their rangs with the side of their thumb.
b-man, rich
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It's funny how we take on the characteristics of those we admire.
I'm a big fan of The B-Man. We go way back.
Rich sent a video to me many years ago that showed his shop, a shrine
to be sure, but some of the footage was of some casual throwing at a
local park. Rich has a pre-throw habit of rocking the stick back and
forth from the wrist while his arm is hanging loosely by his side
before he throws. I have adopted the same habit. Before throwing a
stick, I will "dry fire" the stick a half dozen times in my wrist
while relaxing my shoulder, the boom fanning air below my waist.
I won't try to imagine what Rich is thinking, but for me, if I can get
the wrist moving freely and focus on where I want the stick to go,
it's just a matter of syncing the arm and mind and letting things work
themselves out for themselves. The stick will swing through the arc
of release about a half dozen times before I draw my arm back and let fly.
A word of warning: I am not a great thrower, but I do enjoy watching
masters of the craft.
There is nothing like traveling to a competitive event and seeing
throwers of international caliber throwing boomerangs while reflecting
on how I have been throwing in my own field by myself. I still
remember how interesting it was to stand and watch my kids throw short
distance sticks while I was shagging LD sticks lost in the field.
The best way to learn to throw is gather with other throwers and learn
from them. My favorite trait of boomeranging is the sharing factor.
People who love to throw boomerangs also love to teach others to
throw, and to throw well.
Pat
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Performance Boomerangs Book
Many time this book is mentioned on the list. It is only available through the author John Cross.
John, in the accuracy section of your book you left off a critical part of accuracy - post throw control. Some booms fly better when you give them verbal instruction after you throw. My favorite person to watch in accuracy is Will Gix, who give continuous verbal commands to his booms, often with opposite commands. Something like, " drop, Drop, DROP, NO, FLOAT, FLOAT, Come on - YEAH!" It works well for Will.
Stay Rad,
Clay
Bellevue WA
Great quote Clay. I wish I had though of adding a cursing and mumbling section to my book. I’ll add it to the list of things I missed. J
John Cross
Devon, Alberta
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